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Topic: Vyridus' Equipment Posted: 29/Dec/2009 at 11:49
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Vyridus is playing a Warchanter bard. Warchanter gives +2 Intimidate (unlikely to be used by Vyridus), +1 attack, +2 damage and DR 5/-
Vyridus also has a range of buffs and some crowd control.
Vyridus was asking for advice on equipment. Here's my first thoughts, but I've never played a bard so others will have better ideas, for sure.
The main contentious bit is Armour Class since there are two schools of thought on a high AC at higher level. One is you need really high AC to be worthwhile. One is that highish AC is worthwhile. It's true that to run Hound runs on Elite, Shroud, Amrath etc you need an AC of over 70 to be fairly safely fighting, with intimitanks shooting for an AC of 80. Anything less and you're hit too much, so if you've an AC of 50 or an AC of 10, they only miss you on a 1 anyway, so why waste items on AC if it does absolutely nothing for you then? Which is true. The flipside is how often are you doing Elite runs or end game content when you need such a high AC? If doing quests where AC 70 isn't needed, an AC of 50 does help in end game Normal content so is it worth striving for a helpful, rather than rock solid, AC? My personal preference is for some AC, in a melee character, so a Warchanter could sensible have some kit to ramp up AC. Some blows will get through but hey, bards get displacement at 8th level so 50% of blows can miss anyway. Melee defence becomes even more viable.
This is kit that has a little high end raid loot, but isn't the "best" there could be, with only 1 greensteel clothing since he might not be running Shroud enough craft/purifying taint more items, or might not want to grind for it.
Goggles :
Head : Minos Legens (+20 hp, heavy fortification) then a greensteel helm (+45 hp, +5 protection, heavy fortification, 2 stoneskin clickies)
Necklace : Torin's choker (superior potency VI, wizardry VI, warchanter),
Trinklet : Bloodstone (+6 seeker)
Cloak : Resistance or Perform (eg the Bard's Cloak)
Belt : Belt of the Seven Ideals for potency/spell penetration from 13th level up, if as a bard you have UMD 24 to beat the Lawful
Gloves : +6 strength
Boots : Featherfall of Springing
Ring : Warchanter's Band (charisma +6, exceptional strength +1, warchanter, incredible potential), until then just a +charisma ring
Ring : Perform or Resistance
Bracers : Chaos Guard (+2 dodge AC)
Armour : +5 mithral breastplate of whatever until high end
Weapon :
Shield : +5 mithral large shield of whatever
Warchanter set bonus - when both items are equipped you will gain an additional bard songs after resting, Maximize Spell costs 4 Spell Points less, and Extend Spell will cost 1 Spell Point less.
+AC, +5 resistance, +5 protection, spell penetration VII, wizardy VI, +6 charisma, +7 strength, featherfall all the time (so no swapping out), +45 hp, heavy fortification.
What do folk who know bards think could be improved upon?
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Wow Sethrak, I really appreciate the insight and the help, and it helps me to see what to aim for, as well as what to think of, since I do not have any idea of hi end game content. II really appreciate the information.
Ok.. gonna have a look on this .. and will give some things to look on :) .
When i build my toons. i never aim for the things in between best or ok.. I only aim for the very best.. I will never settle for an item. that i know i will get better. This does not mean however i will not be happy with an item. that is not really what i want.. but i will still aim for the better item . Like. why have a +4 stat item when you can have a +6. This might be a bit more perfect list that also mean. harder to get.. But if you have a aim. for some things that will not fit with the perfect things. it gets hard to swap out items later on..
This list looks good. however. nice of you sethrak. And please do not see the new list i make like a competions for your list sethrak. It is just a update to give Vyr the best items posible . :)
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Trinket : head of good fortune / when melee you can swap for a bloodstone. (add the save bonus from ritual +1save)
Googles : tharnes wrath
necklace : Torin's choker ( or shionans pendant)
claok : bards claok
belt : belt of the defender of siberys
Gloves : Spectral gloves / swap with Seven fingerd glves when you need more UMD
Boots : Gyroscopic boots of strideing / Swap with firestorm greaves when needed.
Ring 1 : Draconic ring ( Craft +2 Str on it )
Ring 2 : +6 INT ring / swap Between FF/UWA/ or other nice clikes like devine might. When needed
Armor : DT leather armor with +3dodge +5resistence +SR 22 ( add a ritual AC bonus here +1 AC )
Main hand : Khopesh GS min II(can give +4 insight AC for a lil less DPS also )
Off hand : Khopesh GS Pos/pos/pos(or GS min II)
This is the Allmost the perfect gear list for you toon Vyr.
next list show you what you will get When you take on the gear.. not all is counted for Like extra saves and ac from more dex , so the real break down will be better. then this list, but it gives you a hint.
+8 to all saves ( 3 from Trinket 5 from DT armor)
+8 str ( from ring )
+5 dex ( 5 from gloves )
+7 con ( 6 from belt 1 from ring )
+6 int ( from Ring )
+6 cha ( from Bards cloak )
+75 Hp ( 30 from belt 45 from helmet )
heavy fort ( helmet )
Suprior potency VI ( from neckie All Spells up to lvl 6 does 50% more dmg)
+200 Sp from bracers
Fire shiled cold (from bracers 5%chance to go off when you get hit)
Spell resist +22
Ghost touch weapons all the time ( from gloves )
+2 to hit ( from gloves )
2 times greater command ( from cloak )
+15 perfom ( from cloak )
Spell penetration VIII
Sneak attack bonus +5 ( from goggles )
true seeing ( from goggles )
+15 spot ( from goggles )
+15 search ( from goggles )
+30% run speed ( boots )
+10 balance ( boots )
Total +AC +17 and max dex bonus +7 ( remeber i did not count natrual AC or the DEX bonus to AC )
( +11 Diable device And +5 Umd when you use seven figred gloves )
Also other bonuses when you use some of the other stuff like the bloodstone +6 seeker or firestorm greaves for better fire protect.
I used alot of time on this 1. And i can see some small things that can be swapped out.. with others. But this is the best over all i can see.
BUt it is a DARN lot of grinding ..!!
So enyoj :) hope it hwlps you out.
Edited by DeltaBravo - 30/Dec/2009 at 17:29
DELTA BRAVO JULIET
A hero is not always the first man in.. Is is sometimes the first man out.
Wow guys, two great lists, and a lot of time, for a nub like me, I do appreciate it, and I will do my best to aim for those items. And a greta list for a possible full bard toon, when and after i get more used to the game and experience under my belt.
Actually, I'd agree with DelatBravo's list as the best gear to aim for, for you.
I also don't like to bind or settle for less than ideal, but feel it's fair to offer up a realistic, achievable, decent list that you can aim for, and get, whilst then crafting/raiding for your prefect set.
If I was playing your warchanter, over the longer term I'd certainly go for the kit DB's suggested
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